Remember the good old days (a few weeks ago) when the media frowned upon talking about a candidate’s religion? The eagle eyes in the press were all over those right-wing Neanderthals who might in some way allude to Mitt Romney’s Mormon religion. It was totally out of bounds, benighted, a holdover from a darker, uglier time.
Religious prejudice was a box that John F. Kennedy broke out of, setting a new standard for legitimate political discourse. So during the Republican primary every candidate was expected to proclaim that “a person’s religion should have no bearing on their fitness to hold office. It’s not an issue in this race.”
That was acceptable Beltway behavior and mainstream thinking … until it wasn’t.
Romney’s religion hasn’t changed, but his opponent has. So the acceptable norms of political dialogue have changed as well. Oh, Obama, his political adviser, David Axelrod, and the gang still give lip service to the irrelevance of Romney’s religion but, as usual, they can have it both ways, sitting back while the media does their work for them.
Suddenly the Mormon religion is not only relevant, it is irresistible. Have you noticed the steady stream of stories on the Mormon Church, Mormon history and the extent to which Romney adheres to Mormon tenets?
Such coverage wasn’t legitimate in the primary but boy it is now, under the guise of, “Although we may think it’s not a legitimate subject, some do and we’re just reporting on what effect it might have on the election.” My favorite recent piece using that excuse was in Sunday’s New York Times, which posed the question: “When is it legitimate to report on Romney’s Mormonism?” In other words: “We’re not talking about it. We’re just talking to people who are talking about it.”
A more honest approach would be to acknowledge that once again religion is now fair game … unless, of course, it has anything to do with Rev. Jeremiah Wright.
– Fred Thompson
Yes Fred I have two things to say, 1: Romney has not won the nomination as it is not over until after the Convention in Tampa!!
2: As a past Mormon I know enough about that Religion to place it in the same category as Islam, both stray very far from the Christian Bible which our Constitutional Republic is based on So no I do not want ether one of them as the leader of our Cristian nation!!
Are you saying that Mormons make women wear burkas and stone them to death or behead them? I don’t care what religion Romney is, he will do a better job than B. Hussein O. Anybody would. Our country will die if Obama stays.
We no longer have a “Christian” nation. We haven’t for almost 100 years, thanks to the Humanist Manifesto and its implementation into our school system. We are a nation with “Christian” people, but we are not a Christian nation.
w Obama ell Obama is my view is an Islamist ” Practicing ” Christianity and he has added to and taken away from the scriptures so thats like calling God a Liar . But God did say who shall add to or take away from the scriptures shall be acursed. I guess Obama didnt read that part. Bill Cliton has been backing Barry Sotero for a long time before he became Barack Huessien. We all know about Clintons Morals and Jesse Jackson as his Preacher who also was busted for Adultrey after so called saving Bill from his deal with LIEING to the nation. Jeremiah Wright is no Christian I guarentee you that. not even close He is a Raceist thats why Obama had to change churches cus ol Jeremiah went off on a tangent. Theres plenty we dont know about Obama but things have a way of floating to the top after awhile
Thank you, Arthur!!! From the very beginning, Romney has been shoved down our throats and up our collective A—-s!.
HE IS NOT THE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE YET!
Soris-backed-Romney with the first poll. Take a look at this:
George Soros was behind this fraud:
If you are for Romney turn this around. What IF you were sent a Poll that was already “fixed” as Obama as the President, and there was nothing you could do to change it? You have more ethics than that. I know you are a Person of character and want everyone to vote for their conscience.
It is a poll to vote for your dream team. ONLY, when I tried to “drag” New’t photo in the position where they had “Romney’s Photo” it wouldn’t allow me to replace Romney with Newt or anyone else for that matter. It would allow me to drag the photo to VP position. I immediately hit “return to the sender” with this in the subject line: “Do not shove Romney down our throats”. I then made this viral as well as uploading it on several web sites.
When my friends then tried to “hit return” to send the same message to “who ever” made it impossible for us to “have a choice” of OUR OWN PRESIDENT….it finally came back “un-deliverable” because they shut us out!
I then, went back to the site below. There was a comment section in the upper right hand corner, and we all typed in “DO NOT SHOVE ROMNEY DOWN OUR THROATS!”
Come to find out….THIS FRAUD WAS CREATED BY GEORGE SOROS. ROMNEY IS IN BED WITH SOROS with Soros….do you want another President on puppet strings? Soros has warrants out for him in several countries including Russia.
Like, I said, you are an ethical person, and I know you DO NOT believe it is right to have our President Chosen FOR US.
http://www.2012dreamticket.com/
So who do YOU want to “shove down our throats?” Green Grinch? One of the Ricks? Perhaps someone else who would lose to Obama? I like a lot of the ideas and positions of Ron Paul, and have supported him in many ways. However, the reality is that Ron Paul will NEVER be president, and a vote for Paul is in effect a vote for Obama. I’m afraid that once again this year, Republicans and “Conservatives” will work against each other to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But when/if it happens, go look in the mirror if you want someone to blame. And to say Romney isn’t a Christian is like Ford saying that Chevy isn’t a car. Arrogant “evangelicals” think they have a monopoly on what constitutes Christianity, but you’ll notice they never pick on the Catholics, because they perceive Catholicism as being too big and powerful, and they know they’d get blown out of the water before they left shore. But it’s fun for people who make their living through religion to constantly rag on the competition–i.e., “Mormonism” . . The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Get it? The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints. Time to wake up and stand up.
Arthur….
You are correct on both counts! Glad to see another person has had their eyes wide open!!
Keep informing people….maybe we’ll get them to understand some things before it’s too late to turn it around.
I know very little about Mormons…but I have been told the same thing… that they are similar to Muslims.
I don’t know where you got the fallacy that Mormons are like Muslims. It’s even in the Church Articles of Faith that Mormons “allow all men to worship who, what, or where they may.” No one can be forced to Heaven. That’s direct from the Scriptures. Mormons don’t kill those who don’t believe as they do. And Mormons worship and believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God and the Savior or the world. You need to get your facts straight from the source. A disgruntled ex-member is definitely not a good source for truth about any church, regardless of what church it is. That’s like asking an ex-spouse his/her opinion of the one they divorced. Usually not a very good comment and only one-sided.
Don’t believe everything you hear. Mormon beliefs are different from most Christian beliefs, but they are absolutely nothing like Muslims. Mormons are good, honest, hardworking, socialized, educated, people. Their welfare system within their church would put the USA’s to shame. You better hope, if Obama is re-elected, that you know a good Mormon who has food storage….you may need them…and it would be well to follow their example! They take care of one another. They don’t go around killing people who don’t follow their beliefs, nor have I heard of them beheading anyone in recent times…or before that even. They have a love of country (ours) the same as other patriots. You could not ask for better people. Give me a good Mormon over a Muslim any day!! Go, Mitt!!
Isn’t it odd, that we had two Quakers as president. But nary a word about their religion. Now we have a man who seems to be a straight shooter, and we have a crybaby bunch shooting at him, primarily because of his religion,, and most probably are not even Christian or voters. WAKE UP America !!!!!
We have a man in the WH who has done nothing good for the state of Illinois, not the USA. The people of Illinois have been bamboozled twitce, and the country at least once, and many of them are too dumb or igoarant to know it.
I intend to vote for whosoever runs aginst Obama, even if it is me. (actually I beleive I could have done a better job than he has)
1) You’re definitely right–you know very little about the “Mormons,” and 2) don’t believe everything you hear. Start dealing with the opposite end of the spectrum, and and thing called “facts”
My question is directed at Arthur Vinson.
How has Mormonisn strayed from Christianity?
I am totally opposite in belief from the Mormon church, but it doesn’t bother me a bit that Romney is Mormon as they are good works oriented. However, I am opposed to a Muslim in the whitehouse as they have a strategy of taking down America and any other person or country which will not convert to Muslim or pay protection money to it. Muslim is really a political movement rather than a religion that presents a center basis of love and hope, but one of conquering and control.
Saint Paul wrote, “For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ”. Mormonism displays righteousness but rejects all the tenants of the Christian Church, even denying the one essense of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Your heavenly citizenship was paid for with a price. Do not pervert it for the sake of another Gospel.
A fishermen will tie two lures on his fishing line, hoping that his dinner will take the bait of either. Do not be fooled, both Romney and Obama lead to the same deciever.
Exactly right Roger. Both Obama and rombama want to persecute Christians in this nation. Our only hope is to elect enough conservative Christians to stop whichever one of these heathens get selected. God is truly removing His blessings from this once great nation!
Fred,
I feel most people have lost faith in the media. Their agenda is to sell papers and anything is “fair game”. As a new paper friend of mine says…”If it bleeds, it leads!”.
Your a great actor. Enjoyed your role in Law & Order. Any plans to get back on the big screen?
I agree with you Fred, and you too Mr. Vinson (above). Good thoughts both. I’d like to see America get back to it’s roots. Kicking God out of our society was not a good thing. I’ll not be surprised to see the 10 Commandments removed from the Supreme Court someday soon. Allowing God back into our society is America’s only salvation.
Bill Schamberg.
I wish we had another choice in this election but I guess a Mormon is better than a Muslim.
We did have another choice; however, “THE RNC” made the choice FOR US when they forced Newt Gingrich to drop out (“suspend”) his campaign. They took away his secret service team, leaving Romney’s in place.
Take a look at Newt’s Polls 48 hrs before he was forced to suspend his campaign:
Poll – 10045 – Gingrich vs. Obama
*Who would you vote for, Newt Gingrich or Barack Obama?*
1. Newt Gingrich (82.9%)
2. Barack Obama ( 10.7%)
3. Neither ( 4.76%)
Not Answered ( 1.45%)
*Whom do you believe has better solutions for the nation’s economic
problems?*
1. Conservatives ( 83.7%)
2. Liberal ( 6.89%)
3. Neither ( 7.59%)
Not Answered ( 1.77%)
http://extras.wnd.com/polling/10045_Gingrich_vs._Obamathanks.php?promocode=wd-100551
Um, I think you are missing a point. This poll was taken by a conservative web site. Those visiting are not a statistically valid cross-section of voting Americans. I would have preferred Gingrich over Romney (and Paul over either one). And I would like to think that Americans are as conservative as that poll says. But it just ain’t so.
It’s not the strange looking guy at the park who is most threatening to your children but the family member that seems like a good guy. Obama and his policies are obvious, easy to target as anti-Christian. But the one who is most dangerous is the one who looks good on the outside, but inside is full of deceit. God did not make the Venus Fly Trap for our warm fuzzy observation but to teach us that all things are not as they always appear. How can Mormons who claim to be the “Church of Jesus Christ” be less dangerous than an Islamist who makes no such claim.
Let me say this about that: When the media delves into Jeremiah Wright’s comment to Ed Klein that “he never brought Obama to Jesus” then they can talk about Romney being a Mormon.
Until that happens, the media should not say a word about Romney’s religion.
The ponderance of religion, any religion is the gist of the problem in American politics
these days. Instead of praising or accepting a candidate with religious values and moral scruples, we lambast them with detriment. Our Founding Fathers and the Pilgrims based our nation, Constitution and more on Christian principles. It is part of our hertiage as a country! We need to support candidates who possess a Christian
faith – not accost them. America needs more people of conviction in goernment, not less of them.
FYI note – the are 14 million members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and it’s one of the fastest growing faiths across the entire world.
Something of Christ must appeal to these converts to command that much growth.
I have impression as a mainstream protestant with a decades-long association with Mormons, both friends and coworkers, that this denomination has earned recognition in the present as quite possibly the singularly most patriotic, moral, and ethical Christian sect. Mormon families and Mormon friends represent templates for the rest of Christendom in giving of oneself for a higher good and expecting nothing in return.
I state this as a non-Mormon, as a lifelong mainstream protestant, as a US Army veteran, and as a father, husband, and loyal friend.
If any want to judge the Christianity of Mormons, I suggest deferring that judgement to the only one qualified to make it, God!
I will not join the LDS Church, but I will, based on personal experience and knowledge, affirm respect and admiration for them and acceptance for their honesty, loyalty, generosity, and the way they live their lives. I refuse to judge Mormons; I will continue to examine the fruits of their labors, behavior, and beliefs. So far, I find it all good and all admirable.
Well said, Charles, that has been my experience with Mormans also. (-:
Mormonism is NOT a Christian sect. They believe that man can become a god and god was once a man. They also don’t believe in God in three manifestations, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. They also believe that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. Jesus was a man that had to be redeemed. He was not always God. Women can not get to heaven unless their husband or bishop call them up. Then they can be eternally pregnant creating the spirit babies waiting to come to earth to be born. They believe man can become a god and God was once man. Their eternal destiny is based on the works that they do including males doing a mission trip, tithing, temple works for good Mormons, and taking care of other Mormons. There is a lot that the church doesn’t want the public to know. I suggest you check out Saints Alive. They minister to Mormons and ex Mormons. They tell the truth about the church that most general Mormons don’t even know.
It is a shame that we have gotten away from what the founding fathers wanted for the country, a belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. In the founding of the country the Bible was part of a child’s education. Now we have two candidates who don’t see that man’s salvation only comes from letting Jesus be our savior from our sins. Now too many look to the government to be our false savior. Too many keep God and government seperate. It was meant that government would not interfere with Christianity but that Christianity would certainly influence and guide government.
All religions are inventions of man. From Judaism to Roman Catholicism, to Mormonism, they are all inventions. As long as the man running for office, regardless of position, one, believes in God and does His commandments, and two, has respect for life, then I will consider him fit to serve in the office for which he is running.
The current “occupant” of the White House does not believe in God. This is demonstrable by his position on life.
I do not believe in what Romney believes, theologically speaking, but then, I disagree with about 95% of peoples’ theology. I am not looking at the candidate’s theology, I am looking at what he can do for the country.
I still believe that the First Chief Justice of the US Supreme Court, Justice John Jay, knew best when he stated that for leaders Americans should elect Christians. Not religious as Carter was, nor anti-Christian as Obama has shown himself to be but a true Bible believing, Christ following, moral absolute living Christian. Not someone who just pays lip service. I also believe that the term “Separation of Church and State” is a lie because it is not taught in the First Amendment, the US Constitution, nor the Declaration of Independenct but is found in a letter to the Danube Baptists to describe that the Government cannot tell the Church’s what to preach or not to preach. But then again, that is ignored today by the Government telling Church’s that they cannot preach against an immoral candidate which was legal until Senator Lyndon B. Johnson slipped language into the IRS Code that made it illegal. That destroys any argument about the lie “Separation of Church and State”. Think about it.
Arthur is critical of other religions, but misspells Christian. [no 'h ']
The topic of religion spurs me to make two remarks. 1. If the proclivity of JFK for infidelity was known before his election, it might have hurt him more with the Catholic voters than with the anti-Catholics. 2. The issue of Obama’s religion [if any] prompted me to come up with this observation: The debate goes on whether Obama is a Christian or a Muslim. I don’t really know if he is a Muslim, but I do know he is one Hell of a Christian.
Arthur, allow me to straighten facts out a little, okay?
Obama is a Muslim. He admits it himself in this video AND thanks John McCain for Keeping His SECRET:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5zvGF6u9g&feature=related
Admits he was born in Kenya
Mitt Romney has been loyal to and active in his church for all of his life. He is not claiming he sat through twenty years of sermons and somehow missed the key points. He has no need, let alone desire, to dissociate himself from the officiant who performed his wedding. He is committed to his Christian faith and works hard to be a disciple of the New Testament Jesus. No one need question whether he has a secret memberhip in another religion or whether his religion honor the heritage of America, defends it country willingly and seeks for the good of the nation. How many religions, of any stripe, claim that the US is the promised land besides The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
As an Evangelical Christian, I cannot believe that the Mormons are at war with the U S Constitution. This presidential election is for the executive branch of our U S government, not the representative. At least he now promises to be pro life, and constitutional. We can hold his feet to the fire. I will not be duped into giving more power to the socialist democratic party. I am afraid we may not deserve what we need, and although it is our responsibility to vote to protect the Constitution, we may not get it.
It amazes me that the Republican party can hold up such discourse as unfair and improper when religion and the religious tenets of the opposition have forever been a striking point for the part and its media supporters when election time comes… I voted for Bush twice… today I consider myself a reasonable middle-of-the-roader who just wants Washington to get something done. Though I may not vote at all – I know I will NOT be voting with the Republican party in November.
The main point isn’t that reference to religion is unfair. The point is that the main stream media on one hand say that references to Obama’s religion are unfair, yet are two faced and attack Romney through references to his religion.
I will add, though, that the only good thing about Romney’s religion being attacked is that it COMPLETELY opens the door to Obama’s Jeremiah Wright church…and that Obama is not a Christian, but a Muslim, so once again, he’s a liar in chief.
The first comment was perfectly said. While I am conservative this year I will have to vote for Obama. I remember a few years ago when the mormon leader, Warren Jeffs, was in the headlines. Young girls were forced into unwanted relationships in Romney and Jeffs religion. Rev. Jeremiah Wright would never put up with such Mormon shananagans. Just Google Warren Jeffs and you will get a true picture of Romney and Mormonism. When Jeffs, who is Romney’s religious leader and mentor was in trouble, we never heard a critical word from Romney–In other word–Romney gave Jeffs a Pass.
Hey, Dave, you should get your facts straight. Warren Jeffs was not main stream Morman, but rather the leader of a splinter group called the Fundamentalist Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. He did not dare to show his face in Salt Lake City!
You are badly misinformed. Please do a little research. As you suggest “Just Google Warren Jeffs”. You will discover that Mr. Jeffs belongs to/leads the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (FLDS).
Romney, on the other hand, belongs to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS). The LDS is the main Mormon church. There are a number of splinter groups, all of them small compared to the LDS. FLDS is an extremely small splinter group. By what logic does that entirely separate denomination reflect in any way on the larger group from which it split off?
By the same logic, you must believe that all Roman Catholics are unfit to be President because of what was done by a single Protestant minister with his own little church.
You need to educate yourself, Mr. David Jones. Warren Jeffs was not a Mormon. He was Mormon as much as a Protestant is Catholic. “Fundamentalist” Mormons are not Mormons. They are an excommunicated offshoot.
Fred, I just want you to know, the truth, Arthur is a liar about the LDS religion. I haven’t always been a member, but grateful I am in this day and age. If he was a member, he got a chip on his shoulder about someone or something he probably did, and so he left because of that, or he wasn’t really converted, and decided to go another way. That is fine, free agency is great. If one wants to know the truth about a situation, especially religion, go to the proper source, not to someone who has a grudge.There is no comparsion between Muslim and LDS. If Romney is elected, he is the one that will get us back to the Constition and our Freedom, and the other things this country was meant to be. I promise.
Your article is very good.
I don’t recall any Mormons cutting off heads or blowing up buildings and trains so for me there is no problem choosing Mitt Romney. A Mormon who admits he’s a Mormon beats a Muslim who pretends he’s a Christian any day (there is an h in Christian as there is in Christ in English). By their works you shall know them. Obama’s pro-death stand is against everything Christians believe as is his anti-religion attempts at removing all aspects of the Judeo-Christian faith from the Military and all public life. I am a traditional Catholic (Latin Mass and all.)
It is the belief in a higher power that each religion adheres to. It is the trappings and methods that are different. With Romney I actually believe that he wants better for this country. The fact that he is a Mormon tells me that he believes as I do that there is a higher power than ourselves, and that he believes in the good and bad in this world. If in his religion he believes that doing good to others is a fine quality, well, then hats off to him. I have looked and read articles about his donations and his giving to others. Seems he and his wife and family donate quite a bit to charity. More than I can say for the left, or BHO. But I digress, I really don’t care about the religion of a man who will be “running” the country, so long as I see that he is looking out for the best for ALL AMERICANS. Which is also not what I see with BHO..Obama promises one thing to this group, that to another group, and then something else to someone else. With Romney, he has one focus, to provide opportunities for ALL American’s, and not just one group or another as BHO seems to focus his attention on. We need to change the direction that our country has been on. We cannot sustain the “gimme gimme gimme” mentality any longer. If you want something you should be able to work for it and achieve it, not wait for the government to provide it for you. This country will not get back on track until the government gets off the back of business and lets the capitalist market free. Will there be abuses, of course there will, but that’s what laws are for. It’s clear that what the Obama Administration has done for the past 3+ years is not, and has not been working.. Time for a change.. and to quote someone.
” If your not better off in 4 years.. make me a one term President”.. OK.. we can do that..
Arthur, you don’t know anything about the Mormon faith to make such false statements. The Book of Mormon is a second witness of Jesus Christ: It substantiates the Holy Bible. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was named by Jesus Christ himself and is the only church that bears his complete name. Mitt Romney is defined by his faith. He will be true to God, not submissive to man. He is a man of resolute integrity and will always look to God for guidance.
I don’t give two craps about his religion. For one, he hasn’t won the nomination, and for two, his religion is the last thing we would have to worry about with this guy. He’s so much like Obama, there would be no difference. And why so called “conservatives” can not only support him, but help him to cheat his way to the nomination is beyond me.
Fred, you rascal! You go for the jugular in such a pleasant way.
Mr. Thompson, great analysis.
As a Mormon, I want to reiterate to readers that we are a Christian religion. The actual name is the “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints”. We believe in the Bible, and that Jesus is the Savior. Although our doctrines may differ from other faiths, we hold much in common: Family values. Helping the poor and needy. Believing in, and preaching about Christ as the Savior, and his Atonement.. The need for repentance. Believing that America’s Constitution was divinely inspired. And so forth.
With the media spin trying to drive wedges, it’s time for all people of good will to ignore them and instead pull together to help make America what it can and should be.
What Jesus do you worship?? The one in the Holy Bible or your book of Mormon?? this is how you try to fool people
Please everyone who thinks that Mormonism is another Christian religion check out the facts. Go to Saints Alive in Jesus. Decker was a temple Mormon before he realized the deception, http://www.saintsalive.com. There are some major diferences.
I will probably be forced to vote for RINO Romney over Obama but I do NOT believe either man is a follower of the true Jesus Christ. Muslims and Mormons believe in a Messiah who is going to set up his kingdom on earth. The differences are how and where. Muslims believe in taking be the sword. Mormons want to do it by Mormons in high offices including President. Also Muslims think it will be in Mecca and Mormons believe it will be in Missouri. A little poison is still poison it just takes longer to kill you. Muslims say it will be the Waddi instead of God. Both believe that their religion will be the one that god uses to rule the earth. Mormons are not Muslims and Muslims are not Mormons but Mormons are not true Christians either.. To say so is to say that all religions are the same. Jesus said “I am the way, the truth and the life, no one comes to the father except through me.” There is NO other way to heaven, not suicide killers or baptizing for the dead or any other work.
Shades of the John Kennedy election. I clearly remember the pundits claiming that the Pope would have a seat at the cabinet. It did not happen. Romney has the credentials to handle the Presidency, and will do just fine. In fact will be a breath of fresh air compared to the present occupier of the position,
In that video, he also admits he is a Muslim.
Same with families. Wives and kids and dogs are off limits BUT he sure uses them when convenient to do so – we just don’t dare say anything about them. Again, double standard.
I must point out that Mormons have done public service for this Country for years and years and years. Consider how many FBI, DIA, DOD and, yes, Secret Service Agents and other Federal Agents are Mormons. Then, there is the Mormon history of voluntary military service with honor, not with avoidance. I admire their tithing to their church, their community assistance programs that are paid for by the Mormon Church, and not with ‘Programs’ for ‘folks’ devised to seek federal dollars. I have always respected the Mormon ethics in business and in their personal lives. I’m sure everyone in our great nation has listened to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir during the Yuletide Season. The Mormons are to be seriously admired, not criticized. Mitt Romney will serve as our President in an honest and wise way, as was desired by the Founding Fathers. Any man that adheres to his religious beleifs and does no wrong is the basis of the founding of our wonderful Country.
Fred, let’s assume that the ancient families that own all the “Central Banks” in the world (not just the Federal Reserve Bank) that they also own both Romney and Obama. It would prove this saying to be true.
“It doesn’t matter who wins the race, as long as you own all the horses” Amstel Rothschild 1856
Fred,
I agree that religion is not something that should be relevant a deal breaker in an election. Sad to say, we need to remember Clinton’s campaign motto, “It’s the economy, stupid.” So someon doesn’t agree with what they think the the Mormon religion is. That is fine. Don’t become a Mormon (it is old fashioned Protestantism at its best); however, there are many good and conservative Republicans who are Mormon. Maybe your readers, at least the bigoted ones, ought to stop complaining about the religion of an excellent conservative and focus on the election process.
Tammy
You all talk about how horrible Muslim’s are IT IS A RELIGION.
So long as a person’s religion does not influence a person’s governing, and I believe Obama’s Muslim leanings do effect his, I don’t care what it is although I prefer a Christian. then I know they will not going against the Christian faith as has BO.
Saint Paul wrote, “For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ”. Mormonism displays righteousness but rejects all the tenants of the Christian Church, even denying the one essense of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Your heavenly citizenship was paid for with a price. Do not pervert it for the sake of another Gospel.
A fishermen will tie two lures on his fishing line, hoping that his dinner will take the bait of either. Do not be fooled, both Romney and Obama lead to the same deciever
Multiculturism (pushed by Tribe that Must Not Be Mentioned, which controls the mainstream media, the banks and the entertainment industry ). In 50 years, The U.S. will be a Third World nation and the parasites will kill the host. Nothing less than a moratorium on immigration will prevent it, but neither party represents the American people at this point.
The Media (or those who own it) want Obama reelected. That’s why Obama’s 20 years of listening to Reverend Wright was admittedly downplayed and buried. Who owns the New York Times? The Washington Post? The Wall Street Journal? That’s all you need to know. NBC? CBS?
I absolutely love Mitt Romney, not just because I am also a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, but because he is a principled, disciplined, charitable, hard working candidate. I pray to have more leaders in office with good morals, yet I worry about the future as being the President of the United States must surely be the most difficult job in the world! I believe that even the negative publicity about the Mormon Church will encourage some wise and thoughtful people to search and discover truths about our faith that will bring more understanding and respect to a people dedicated to doing good through normal everyday actions. It actually doesn’t matter to me what religion Obama is, he is way off track morally- including fiscal responsibility, evolution of marriage, and Obamacare (to name a few).
I have no idea how to send a comment, but I’m hoping this one will come through. No doubt it will go against the grain of the previous submissions, but it would be good for them to open their minds and think of this logically. Sure, I’m a Mormon. Have been for the past 74 years. I am not a Muslim (although we share the goodness that is to be found in ANY religion in the way we treat our fellow men), I do not belong to a cult (we have the right and agency to seek and choose for ourselves), I do not vote for a man based on his religion, but I am grateful to have a man of moral worth who would set aside a life of ease (if you can call running a business that supports MANY people, paying more taxes than most of us make in a lifetime, raising a family with values based on his example of integrity ,morality and fidelity to principles of the righteousness, while maintaining the family and country values that the constitution was/is truly based on). Before making observations such as I have read on this site, it would be well to find out what one is talking about, for surely their remarks are as detrimental to the survival of this country as are Obama’s.
Seperation of Church and State only apply when the Democrats want it to. What’s new!!
In his Mormon religion, Romney is working his way to becoming a God with his own planet to rule according to Mormon doctrine.
Having said that, anyone other than the narcissist, arrogant, lying, power hungry, Muslim loving president we now have, who is also trying to destroy the capitalist, free enterprise system and who has done more damage in three years than anyone would have thought possible, would be a better choice. We are stuck again with voting for the best of the worst.
If Obama is re-elected, we may as well turn out the lights. The party is over. This man also has aspirations of world power.
Harry
Since both men are of non-christian religions, we will still have to selelct one for president. I will vote for Romney because 4 more years of Obama in unconsciouable
Beleve it or not Ron Paul is still running he has not quit as the Liberal Media is telling you!!
oops another typo I suppose I will here about that too!!
When you proclaim Romney to be part of a non-Christian religion, you’re joining those who are ever-eager to proclaim their basic ignorance about the religions of the world. It would be like me saying you’re not a conservative, because you don’t believe in storming the White House and hanging Obama from the rafters.
Mormon or Muslim? I pick the Mormon every time & twice on Sunday!!
Fred, I wrote about whether or not the republicans should all support Romney since he is theone to likely be the Republican nominee for President of This United States. IN reference to religion, it is an important factor in any political position. So is he platform and whether or not one is trully conservative minded. As far as the people that normally make erroneous and negative statements about Latter Day Saints of The Church of Jesus Christ,LDS, “MORMONS”, they either don’t know
much about this religion or are just angry with some part of it. We believe the Bible and have a testimony that Jesus Christ lives and work toward living his standards set forth in the scriptures including THE BOOK OF MORMON. I have worked in politics or been involved most of my life and my wife worked for Ron Paul when he was elected to Congress in the 70s and we were instrumental in assisting him in those elections. If he was the nominee we would vote for him. If we are concerned about taking this election we have to be fully committed supporting the republican nominee and refrain from the statements that might weaken this chance. I too consider the persons religion when I make the decision to whom I will vote for. The opponents just love the inhouse negative comments. A Tea Party supporter.
Yes, I was wondering about Obama’s campaign saying that Romney’s religion was out of bounds. There are too many people that get satisfaction by attacking Mormons for the media to let Romney’s Mormonism pass. I imagine that Obama’s campaign knows this, is counting on it, and is happy about it. From my experience, most of the Mormon haters are on the right, where they are taught to hate them by their preachers. Is Obama’s campaign hoping that with the media bringing Mormonism to the forefront, that Evangelicals will try to convince others that it’s better to not vote at all than to vote for Romney? From some of the comments on here, it may be working.
You’re 100% right. This may be the way the “evangelicals” help Obama stay in office. They have their heads so permanently planted in the dark place, that they’ll cut off their noses to spite their faces. Maybe Barack can just rest easy and forget about shopping for moving trucks.
Once again I have a choice between the devil and the deep blue sea.A Liberal Yankee Gov.from taxachuetts and a mormon or a person who will drag our country down so far,that,we may never recover.It is Dole vs.Nobama all over again.The republican party left me behind once again.I am a Viet Nam Vet,a Conservative and a Tea Partier.I just may do a write in.Fred we need you!
Yeah, go ahead and bank on your ignorance and write somebody in. Obama will be ever-grateful to you for doing so, because it will in effect be just one more vote for him.
Bizarre. The whole campaign. And most of these comments.
Having been raised in the Roman Catholic church by Jesuits, I know a few things about other religions. We were taught from early on to respect the other ones. Judaism, Mormonism, Protestantism, any of them, didn’t matter. But nary a word about Islam.
But I know about Islam, very well, and now I know why we were not taught. Danger there.
To compare or think Mormonism is even any way similar to Islam is ludicrous. Y’all need to educate yourselves before you open your mouths.
Fred Thompson is right on point, especially regarding how Obama/Wright are given pass while Romney is skewered. Obama is a secret Muslim and always has been. Read about the Islamic practice of lies to cover deceit of Westerners. It’s called Taqiyya. Even the true Quran is not available in Arabic to English translation, and is done so only carefully and edited according to Taqiyya.
Don’t take my word, do your own research!
Make no mistake, the left will trash anyone that opposes Obama. The only way Obama has ever been elected to any office has been thru intimidation, character assassination, and even lawsuits to remove opponents from ballots. Check his early Illinois campaigns and you will see.
Age Quod Agis.
You’re basically right on. Apparently it takes a Catholic to school “evangelical” protestants these days, because so many of them are obviously up in the night. But Barack and Michelle Obama will be ever-grateful to/for them, because it may be the reason they get to stay in Washington for another four years.
Well, Romney is a Mormon, so what! At least he is a true American.
We need to look at obama’s hate for faith based groups.
It all goes back to when obama claimed to the world America is no longer a Christian nation. He was not kidding. He is out to destroy Christianity and people of faith. His DHS ruling that Christian based medical organizations must provide abortions. even if against their beliefs or face government fines is a perfect example. He severely crossed the line between church and state.
The ACLU is running away with themselves getting the Courts to go along with their law suits, even if they only have 1 complainant, they are hell bent on taking away the freedom of the majority for the benefit of the minority and the courts agree and obama says nothing.
We all know obama supports these efforts and he is a muslim and a carpet kneeling supporter. He says nothing about bringing arab based law into the USA. He says nothing about school systems teaching muslim based religion.
His anti exploration rulings against petroleum drilling in favor of the Arab nations providing more petroleum is another example. His desire to transfer oil rich areas to Russia is another example how he is out to destroy the USA.
The rulings over the credit worthiness of the USA is another example, saying these credit rating bureaus are second rate organizations. Now he is attacking the highest court in the land claiming the Supreme Court Justices are a non-elected bunch of bureaucrats although they were confirmed by a full vote of the Senate.
He is just an anti-American SOB who sincerely needs to be replaced.
I have met a lot of Mormons and have been impressed by their piety and family values. They act the way Christians are supposed to act and they are sincere. To compare Mormanism with Islam is insane. No mainstream media person or so-called celebrity would have the courage to insult Islam the way they insult Mormans.
I think Mr. Thompson brings up an important point; is religion fair game or not? What is fair for one candidate ought to be fair for another. We have an interesting phenomenon in our country; democrats seem to get a free pass on their morals, values and beliefs from not only the media but democrats and a lot of silent citizens. Whereas republicans are scrutinized heavily by the media, democrats, and fellow republicans. If we had a republican president that did half the things Obama has done he’d be gone and the republicans would be the first to kick him out.
On another note, I don’t believe Romney is perfect, but to land blast the guy on his personal beliefs is not only spitting on what our fore fathers fought against but is frankly un-Christian.
I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints more commonly called Mormons. It is very interesting to listen to the uninformed people that know all about the Mormons because someone told them what we are like. We are Christians because like all Christians we follow the teachings and example of Jesus Christ. Like most all religions our doctrine is a little different then yours or yours, but that does not make us bad evil people, just misunderstood. Romney is a Mormon, and a dare good one with good morals and a good sense of how to bring our economy back to what it should be. What else can we ask for?
Alan
Frankly, I am happy to have a Mormon in office. To me that stands for integrity, honesty, moral values and strong families. More politicians should get on board that train! Isn’t that what America was founded on?
Faith is indeed an important issue in everything including Politics. Most of the problems and divisiveness we have in this Country comes from immorality and hedonism. Too many people put an emphasis on Theology rather than the pure truth of Jesus as the Son of God. There are Christians who over complicate their belief in God. I would not want a President who is a Muslim, but anyone who recognizes Christ as Savior is alright with me.
TW
Obama made it fair game when he cancelled the National Day of Prayer and then invited Moslem Clerics to the White House. Fair game to everyone except the media who continue to give him a free pass. Maybe he will get a free pass out of the White House in November. God Bless America
People are talking about religion in this election, so they need to get the facts from the religions themselves. Mormon.org is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints website for people to learn more about Romney’s religion.
I don’t know a website for Muslims, but I am sure there is one or more.
Go to the source, & learn the truth.
Vanessa
Religion,as far the Mormon faith,I really do not know. However I know they believe in God. It is Obvious by some of the comments made on this site, that the opposition has made a lot of these comments, proving the watchdogs for the Liberals are at again, what they do best. Spy, Manipulate,and repeat the same thing over and over of the agenda of the day. What happened to the Separation
of Church and State? I think Mr. Romney would make an excellent President.
The sad thing is just about anyone,and I mean anyone Would make a better
President. What happened to “THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” It is clear, and he makes it clear,he represents One Side(the LIberal left wing) side. Debbie
I think the newsmedia should keep their mouths shut unless Romney is in some kind of cult or something(which he isn’t). Also, Romney needs to get some kind of charisma in his talks or else he will lose this race.
How can anyone regard the Mormom Faith as undesirable, when Obama, himself, declared the Rev. Jeremiah Wright as his spiritual leader.. a man who spits on American and all it stands for.
Faith is a strong item in ones life. Christians, Hebrews, Catholics, have faith their way. but it is like a triangle, connected at the top. Yes the office of president is an awsume position, but don’t forget the tr-vectia when in the booth come november
Are you ready to spend the next four years with either either Mitt or Barry as President of the USA ? Can you be excited by the lesser of two evils. Democracy has made America the victims of the wrath of God. We have voted in the legalization of many abominations: Freedom to murder unborn babies, Freedom to fornicate with false gods, Freedom for our kids to fornicate with government supplied condoms, Freedom to be Sodom and Gomorrah, and Freedom from morality. When Jesus rules the nations with a rod of iron, all those freedoms you voted for will be destroyed. You will have the right to repent and obey and the choice to perish for your refusal to obey…a very different choice, resulting in paradise on earth.
This year if the choices are Romney and Obama, I will be voting my conscience and writing in “Sarah Palin”. Unfortunately, neither of the first two have my vote and I’ve just decided to write in who I really want for President.
How many hairs are you interested in splitting on Romney’s religion? Here is a joke I hears that illustrates this.
I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. I immediately ran over and said “Stop! Don’t do it!”
“Why shouldn’t I?” he said.
I said, “Well, there’s so much to live for!”
“Like what?”
“Well … are you religious or atheist?”
“Religious.”
“Me too! Are you Christian or Jewish?”
“Christian.”
“Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?”
“Protestant.”
“Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?”
“Baptist.”
“Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?”
“Baptist Church of God.”
“Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?”
“Reformed Baptist Church of God.”
“Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?”
“Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!”
To which I said, “Die, heretic scum!” and pushed him off.
Nothing wrong with Mormons. The Holy Trinity was decided by a vote. Just because Mormons adhere to the side of the aisle that believed in the individuality of God, Son and Holy Spirit (and lost the vote by roughly the same margin that McCain lost in 2008), it doesn’t mean they are wrong. That kind of reasoning would suggest that because Obama’s team won in 2008, they are right. Wake up America. The Holy Trinity was determined to be one and the same by a vote. The Counsel of Nicea. Don’t through Mormons out just because they look at God, Son and Holy Ghost differently. You can know a good tree by its fruit. People are the same. I prefer Ron Paul. But this thread going off onto how bad Mormons are just doesn’t seem very well thought out. Is any group of people really perfect? Maybe we should stop casting stones.
I don’t believe in Mormonism but I don’t care that Romney is a Mormon. My only concern is whether he will defend Christians against the liberal and Muslim onslaught here and abroad. Will he come out against and try to do something about liberal legislate from the bench judges like Gingrich has? Will he highlight and speak out against the murder of Christians abroad by Muslims? Christian or non-Christian we need to be concerned about the war on religious freedom. It’s a first they came for the Christians, type of scenario.
I don’t see him making this part of his campaign but I would like to think he will address it if elected. This is why I never supported him in the nominating process, there are to many things we don’t know his true stand on. If ever there was a pig in a poke it’s Romney.